NTSB probes collision avoidance technology, safety systems in final day of midair collision investigative hearings



Washington, DC
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In greater than 32 hours of testimony throughout three days the National Transportation Safety Board probed nearly each element of what led as much as the January 29 midair collision between a US Army Black Hawk helicopter and an American Airlines regional jet, operated by PSA airways.

The focus Friday night was the numerous organizational buildings that will have impacted the lethal collision, which killed 67 folks over the Potomac River, close to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.

“I don’t think the accident occurred that night. I think it happened years before,” Clark Allen, Air Traffic Control Specialist on the Federal Aviation Administration stated. “It was a combination of many years that built up to that evening.”

After the collision, the FAA changed many of the air visitors management managers with accountability for the Reagan National Airport space “in what appears to be blame and even punishment or retribution, in their eyes,” NTSB investigator Brian Soper famous Friday. “It’s always struck me how many times that as soon as we announce a launch (of an investigation)… the air traffic manager and or key management personnel are often relieved, moved, changed out sometimes, right while we’re on site.”

The air traffic control tower at  Reagan National Airport.

The basic supervisor and assistant basic managers from the Washington district in addition to the air visitors supervisor and operations supervisor from the airport management tower had been eliminated, he stated, “effectively removing all of the institutional knowledge at the management level.”

“So we didn’t remove anybody as a result of an accident,” Nick Fuller, FAA Deputy Chief Operating Officer of Operations, famous.

“You didn’t?” Jennifer Homendy, NTSB chair requested skeptically. “I think many would disagree, since it was done pretty immediately. Also, the NTSB had to weigh in several times to get people help in the tower.”

“Because what we’re hearing is and seeing, and what they’re seeing is the response is people get transferred or fired, or the safety culture team got removed,” she stated. “So we’re trying to figure out, OK, that’s the message they’re hearing, which isn’t good.”

The new administration staff in cost of the Washington controllers had “great resumes,” however “don’t have the skill set or the experience,” Soper stated. “Can you please help me understand how this will provide an orderly and safe transition to the new and still evolving operational procedures, a decrease in risk of reoccurrence and an increase in safety?”

“The individuals that were put into that place, as you said, their resumes were not just impeccable, but they’ve actually shown as proven leaders that can actually effectuate change in a positive manner and ensure that safety is not compromised,” Frank McIntosh, FAA Chief Operating Officer stated.

The NTSB famous an obvious communication breakdown between what controllers had been saying and what witnesses in this week’s listening to had been saying.

“We’re sitting here getting testimony ‘we have done these great things, we’ve done these wonderful things.’ The documents and the information and the facts that we have are not seeing that,” Inman stated. “There’s a significant frustration between what’s actually occurring being what’s being said for public consumption.”

“I 100% agree with you. There definitely seems to be some barrier in communication where the people that impacts the most are not hearing the things that the FAA is moving forward on, and that needs to be addressed,” McIntosh responded.

The questioning included probing organizational systems in place to handle danger, and NTSB board member Michael Graham famous the breakdowns had been a failing of these important packages.

“You don’t have a safety management system if that person out on the leading edge, or in the control tower doesn’t feel like they can report, they can be heard be responded to,” he stated. “For our system to be as safe as can be you have got to engage every employee.”

Highlighting the frustrations, the NTSB famous their staff was in the management tower facility in March when there was a battle between a visitors administration coordinator and a controller. One worker was arrested on the time.

NTSB chair Homendy was additionally extremely vital of FAA not offering all of the info the board requested, citing forwards and backwards requests for info the company collected about shut calls at airports.

“I think you are interfering with the investigation,” Homendy stated. “I want to hear ‘great, let’s work together.’ I don’t want to hear ‘no’ every time we ask for information.”

She moreover famous the FAA supplied totally different knowledge to Congress than it gave to the NTSB.

“I’m not going to play the data game with you guys anymore,” she stated. “It’s actually a well known thing that every time we come out with data you are going to come out with other data.”

“It just is not helpful. It just looks like you are trying to hide things, which I don’t think you are,” she stated.

The FAA vowed to work collectively to get the knowledge wanted.

“The last thing we want is for there to be a feeling that we are not good partners when it comes to raising our safety standards,” McIntosh stated.

The airport, usually known as by its code DCA, is taken into account by the Federal Aviation Administration to be a “special qualification airport” and anybody who flies there should endure particular coaching as a result of advanced and difficult traits of the airspace.

PSA pilots are all certified to function there and obtain FAA-approved coaching, PSA’s Assistant Director Flight Operations, Technical, Grant Clow testified.

“Think of it like a consolidated playbook of DCA-related guidance that we extract from all the different manuals and resources that we have as like an orientation guide for both new pilots and pilots that maybe have recently upgraded or have been away for a while to kind of re-familiarize themselves with information specific to DCA,” he stated.

However, neither this doc nor any of the airline manuals supplied to PSA pilots had info particularly describing helicopter operations or routes round on the airport on the time of the accident, based on Clow.

A US Army Black Hawk helicopter in flight on June 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.

The Army’s reluctance to make use of an anti-collision know-how often known as Automatic Dependent Surveillance–Broadcast, or ADS-B, and why the FAA allowed army helicopter pilots to fly with out it was a key subject of questioning Friday.

“ADS-B out” transmits radio alerts with GPS location, altitude, floor pace and different knowledge as soon as per second, unbiased of air visitors management. However, on January 29, the Black Hawk was flying following an FAA memorandum which allowed it to be turned off.

There are at present no guidelines stating the army should use the collision avoidance system nationwide, an FAA official testified, as ADS-B necessities are decided by location.

Lt. Col. Paul Flanigen of the US Army stated the Department of Defense has “concerns” with the know-how.

“I pretty sure most people are aware of the fact that it’s inherently open source,” Flanigen testified. “It has some spoofing vulnerabilities which make it non-conducive for those sensitive missions, which not just the Army, but all of DOD has to operate on.”

Earlier this week, a bill was introduced that will require plane operators to put in ADS-B know-how on all flights and require the Army to maintain it turned on in virtually each case.

The NTSB has additionally known as for plane to be outfitted with “ADS-B in,” the power to obtain knowledge from surrounding plane and show it on a cockpit display screen for pilots. The NTSB could make suggestions, however it’s as much as the FAA to mandate one thing.

On Friday, the FAA agreed it must be required, however stopped brief of saying it can act on the problem.

“Does the FAA, right now, support requiring that any newly manufactured aircraft registered in the US be equipped with ADS-B in?” Homendy, the NTSB chair requested.

Example of an “ADS-B in” display, from documents released for the hearing in the NTSB docket.

“Yes, ma’am,” McIntosh, the FAA chief working officer replied.

“Do you also support or oppose requiring that any aircraft required to be equipped with ADS-B out today… also be required to install and operate ADS-B in?” Homendy adopted up.

“Yes, ma’am,” McIntosh replied once more.

“Your position has shifted, and I appreciate that,” Homendy stated.

The first two days of testimony highlighted vital moments main as much as the collision as investigators probed witnesses about commonplace safety practices that ought to have occurred, altimeters that displayed incorrect altitude, and the helicopter route that got here perilously near the trail planes use touchdown on the airport.

There had been over ten hours of testimony on every of the primary two days of the listening to.

The NTSB asks questions, however events to the investigation together with the Army, PSA Airlines, air visitors controller’s union and FAA may also study witnesses.

On Thursday, an FAA witness acknowledged the air visitors management tower didn’t warn the pilots flying the American Airlines regional jet, operated by PSA Airlines.

“No safety alerts,” got, Fuller, the FAA Deputy Chief Operating Officer of Operations, testified.

“Should the local controller have let the PSA crew know that there was a helicopter there?” Homendy requested.

“Yes,” Fuller acknowledged.

The tower did warn the pilots of the Black Hawk helicopter concerning the approaching regional jet they usually stated they’d keep away from it, transcripts of the cockpit voice recorders and air visitors management audio launched revealed.

Yet, moments later, the plane collided.

A crane recovers the tail of American Airlines flight 5342 near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport on February 4, 2025.

Multiple air visitors controllers and pilots at Reagan National Airport advised the NTSB they struggled with the fixed stream of planes, resulting in a “make it work” perspective amongst them.

“This is ‘we just make it work,’ because we don’t have another choice,” NTSB investigator Brian Soper stated they advised him in on-site interviews. “There are airplanes coming in and everything was related to the capacity, the demand or the amount of traffic.”

Another witness, Rich Dressler of Metro Aviation, which operates medical helicopters in Washington stated the best way the Army flies helicopters across the metropolis makes him uneasy.

“Is there any unit that when you hear it makes you feel uncomfortable?” Soper requested.

“Sadly, yes,” Dressler responded. “I don’t like saying that 12th aviation battalion gives us all pause in the community. And I’m speaking from my group there; we are all very uncomfortable when those two units are operating.”

An NTSB willpower of the collision’s possible trigger is anticipated in January.





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