4 key moments from Dr. Sanjay Gupta's appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast

Gupta and Rogan — whose views usually had been at odds — mentioned the pandemic, vaccines, potential therapeutics and the danger coronavirus poses to kids and younger individuals, amongst many different topics.

“That’s half the country, probably more, when you talk about obesity and diabetes and the other comorbidities that are associated with this,” Gupta stated. “You’re talking about hundreds of millions of people. … Doesn’t that make the case that we need to vaccinate?”

“I think it makes a good case to vaccinate vulnerable people, and that includes obese people,” Rogan stated.

Rogan introduced final month he had tested positive for Covid-19, however when requested if he wished he had been vaccinated earlier than he examined constructive, Rogan stated no, including he received over the virus “pretty quickly.”

“My thought was, I’m a healthy person, I exercise constantly, I’m always taking vitamins. I take care of myself. I felt like I was going to be OK. And that was true, it was correct. I’m happy I got through it. I don’t wish it upon anyone. It wasn’t fun, but it wasn’t the worst cold I’ve ever had, and I got over it fairly quickly, relatively speaking.”

But, Rogan added, “I’m not recommending anybody get infected.”

“So, they should get vaccinated,” Gupta stated.

“I think a lot of people should get vaccinated,” Rogan stated.

Gupta explains why Covid-19 remains to be a severe illness for youngsters

The pair additionally mentioned the danger posed to kids by both Covid-19 or the vaccines.

Rogan requested Gupta what research present concerning the impression of coronavirus on younger kids, to which Gupta replied, “We know that they’re far less likely to get sick, that’s for sure.”

But simply because kids are much less prone to be hospitalized or die from Covid-19 doesn’t suggest the virus does not pose a menace to them, even when they’re younger and in any other case wholesome, Gupta defined. He pointed to circumstances of long-haul Covid-19, in which people report suffering symptoms for months after infection.

Rogan expressed concern over the small variety of circumstances of myocarditis — an irritation of the guts muscle — in younger individuals after they’d acquired a Covid-19 vaccine.

The mRNA Covid-19 vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna have been linked to uncommon circumstances of myocarditis and pericarditis. Warnings had been added to the vaccines’ reality sheets; research have proven the circumstances are sometimes delicate. Almost the entire circumstances occurred in younger individuals ages 16 to 24.

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“That’s terrifying for parents,” Rogan stated, “the idea that your son could get vaccinated — and most likely he would have been fine if he got Covid — and that your son could catch myocarditis and have permanent heart problems.”

“Well, I don’t know that we can say a person would be fine if they get Covid, Joe,” Gupta stated. “When you say fine, you mean what? That they’re not going to die?”

“I mean like me,” Rogan stated. “I had Covid, I’m fine.”

“You look like you’re as strong as an ox, yes, I’ll give you that,” Gupta stated. “But you get teenagers who will have these long Covid naps … They’re tired all the time. They get these sort of long-hauler type symptoms. Less so in kids, but when you talk about 33% of people having persistent symptoms that last months — I think we’re allowed to have a nuanced conversation about this.

“We measure issues by way of life and dying, and I get that, it is simple, it is public well being, that is the way in which the numbers get introduced. And frankly, that is in all probability our fault as nicely within the media, to simply say that is how many individuals have died.”

But Gupta later added, “We do not know rather a lot about what this virus does to the physique. We in all probability should not simply consider it as one other kind of pneumonia or chilly, as a result of it is clearly doing one thing else. A chilly would not trigger simply remoted lack of odor. Flu would not even try this. And there’s so many individuals creating long-term signs.”

A new antiviral treatment wouldn’t change Gupta’s mind on vaccines

Rogan asked Gupta about his thoughts on Covid-19 therapeutics, specifically a new drug by Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics that would be the first oral antiviral treatment to fight Covid-19.

Merck said Monday it was seeking US Food and Drug Administration emergency use authorization for the treatment, molnupiravir, which comes in a capsule. The FDA said this week it will convene an advisory committee in late November to discuss it.

While Gupta said he needs to remain skeptical before seeing all the data, the doctor said, “If this treatment holds up, you already know, they assessment (the info) and it is true. I believe it is, it is fairly important. It reminds you just a little little bit of, like, Tamiflu … however this might even be probably simpler than Tamiflu is for the flu.(*4*)Would you modify your perspective on vaccines if that turned out to be very efficient?”

“I nonetheless don’t need this illness, Joe,” Gupta said. “I simply don’t need it, I do not know what the heck this virus does to the physique. I’m not saying it to scare you as a result of, like I stated, most individuals are gonna be high-quality.”

Rogan reveals he ‘almost’ got vaccinated

Rogan also described how he almost got a Covid-19 vaccine before an Ultimate Fighting Championship match earlier this year in Las Vegas. Rogan is a UFC commentator.

“I virtually received it,” Rogan said. “The UFC had allotted a bunch of doses for all of their staff, and I got here down on Friday and I stated, ‘Hey, can I get vaccinated?’ And they stated sure, let’s set it up.

“Right before the event started, they said, ‘You’re going to have to come to the hospital. Can you come on Monday?'” Rogan stated. “And I said, ‘I can’t be here Monday.’ I said, ‘I have a previous obligation,’ I said, ‘but I’ll be back in two weeks, let’s do it in two weeks, I’ll come in a day early.’ And they said great.”

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But within the meantime, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine received “pulled,” Rogan stated, referring to a second in April when the FDA really helpful the US pause administration of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine over a small number of reported cases of a “rare and severe” kind of blood clot. The recommendation was lifted 10 days later, and a warning concerning the uncommon clotting syndrome was added to the vaccine’s label.

Rogan additionally described two different individuals he stated had hostile reactions after vaccination. As a consequence, “I got nervous about it,” he stated.

Experts say the dangers posed by Covid-19 an infection far outweigh the danger of getting vaccinated, and adverse reactions to vaccination remain rare.

Additionally, Rogan stated he was nervous that some hostile reactions gave the impression to be underreported within the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System — a voluntary database the place well being care suppliers and the general public can submit experiences of hostile occasions after vaccination. (The CDC notes VAERS experiences could also be incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverifiable and could also be topic to biases.)

“So, I’m like, how many people have had adverse reactions that were submitted versus not submitted?” Rogan stated. “And I do know that some of the people that submit things to the VAERS report, they’re not telling the truth, they’re making things up. There’s a lot of, you know — whenever you have, like, an open forum like that you’re going to get a lot of bullsh*t right? So who knows how much of it is true and how much of it is not.”